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who pays taxes ought to get tax relief. a of my plan is in place the wealthiest americans will pay a higher percentage of taxes than they do today and the poorest of americans, 6 million families, 7 million people won't pay any tax at all. >> notice the slight of hands. the wealthiest americans will pay a higher percentage of taxes than they do today. not a higher percentage of their income in taxes since that would be an outright lie. very common bit of conservative bit of misdirection used to hide the distributional tax cuts they're proposing. for instance, even in herman cain's explicitly progressive world of a 9/9/9 flat tax, you can imagine the wealthiest households would still pay a majority of total income tax revenue. that doesn't reflect how progressive or fair the taxation system is. it reflects just how unequal incomes are. bush did it again in the next debate too. >> my plan is that the wealthy people pay 62% of the taxes today after which they pay 64%. this is a fair plan. you know why? because the tax code is
who pays taxes ought to get tax relief. a of my plan is in place the wealthiest americans will pay a higher percentage of taxes than they do today and the poorest of americans, 6 million families, 7 million people won't pay any tax at all. >> notice the slight of hands. the wealthiest americans will pay a higher percentage of taxes than they do today. not a higher percentage of their income in taxes since that would be an outright lie. very common bit of conservative bit of misdirection...
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by tax expenditures. >> he also said he would not sign any tax deal. >> that's true. that's why you have the upsets that he's talking about. it's not going to be easy. it took three years to do it in the 1986 tax bill. it's not going to be easy here. i have to say, he outlined three ways to deal with trying to reduce the debt. he took one of them off there. you have to deal with two sides here. no taxes to deal with the deficit. is that the right thing? >> keep in mind, he made it very clear that unlike this president, who i have to like as a person. i know him well. unlike president obama, he wants to work with congress. he knows he's not going to get anything done if he doesn't work with congress. >> but he drew a line there. is that a fuzzy line? >> i'm with it on the line. one thing that has to be made very clear is the wealthy will be paying just as much as they're paying now. >> but they shouldn't pay more. >> i thought one of the best lines is that basically we're tired of trickle down government. and he turned the tables on the president. we have the president
by tax expenditures. >> he also said he would not sign any tax deal. >> that's true. that's why you have the upsets that he's talking about. it's not going to be easy. it took three years to do it in the 1986 tax bill. it's not going to be easy here. i have to say, he outlined three ways to deal with trying to reduce the debt. he took one of them off there. you have to deal with two sides here. no taxes to deal with the deficit. is that the right thing? >> keep in mind, he...
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of these tax cuts. but romney didn't need to address any of these specifics. he just needed to lie about it. it's a strategy another president used when he was asked about his proposed tax cuts for the rich. >> let me just tell you what the facts are. the facts are, after my plan, the wealthiest of americans pay more taxes of the percentage of the whole than they do today. >> really? here we go again. a republican candidate has a plan for massive tax cuts for the rich and tells the american people the exact opposite in a debate. it only works if the candidate is a good liar. presentation does matter. give him credit. last night mitt romney was pretty good on style, but he had a boat load of lies. check out this triple whammy where romney spits out one lie after another with complete conviction. >> we didn't raise taxes. you've raised them by $1 trillion under obama care. we didn't cut medicare, of course, we don't have medicare, but we didn't cut medicare by $716 billion. we didn't put in place a board
of these tax cuts. but romney didn't need to address any of these specifics. he just needed to lie about it. it's a strategy another president used when he was asked about his proposed tax cuts for the rich. >> let me just tell you what the facts are. the facts are, after my plan, the wealthiest of americans pay more taxes of the percentage of the whole than they do today. >> really? here we go again. a republican candidate has a plan for massive tax cuts for the rich and tells the...
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tax havens. mitt romney avoided paying his fair share. what else is he hiding? >>> joining me now, david k johnston author of the new book, "the fine print" and karen finney. david k. johnstone, the times got tax experts to look at the tax returns and some documents they obtained from bain from this new report today. what did we learn? >> well, the cayman islands 4 hundred years ago was a hang out for pirates now it's a hang out for tax pirates. instead of a buried map of where the tresh is, now you get this opinion letters from lawyer, if you follow one every one of these steps, you can get your treasure untaxed to the cayman islands. one of the things the times points out because of the way these were set up and the fees they were charged against them, the less taxes paid by those who were investing, the greater the sum available and therefore the higher the fees that romney collected. >> karen finney, romney, you get the sense the romney campaign expected that the tax return story was a story
tax havens. mitt romney avoided paying his fair share. what else is he hiding? >>> joining me now, david k johnston author of the new book, "the fine print" and karen finney. david k. johnstone, the times got tax experts to look at the tax returns and some documents they obtained from bain from this new report today. what did we learn? >> well, the cayman islands 4 hundred years ago was a hang out for pirates now it's a hang out for tax pirates. instead of a buried map...
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massive tax increase. romney cannot defend this plan on its merits, so he simply says i'll negotiate this with congress. it doesn't matter what he negotiates, there's not enough money there. it's a simple matter of arithmetic. but he's being a smooth liar about this. >> is the mathematics policy? can you offset $5 trillion with big deductions by getting rid of them when he said tonight to accomplicer, i'm going to leave the mortgage preference, the charitable preference, what is left? >> first off, you're kind of misquoting what he said. number one, he said it's not a $5 trillion dr. >> 4.8. >> but it is. i don't care what he says, he's lying. it is $5 trillion. >> bob, let me make mire point. >> don't repeat his lie without any evidence. >> i'm not repeating it. the fact you call it a lie, you take that up with him. >> no, he's the one who's lying. >> let me make the point. how does it not -- >> the fact of the matter is he's identified that what he's going to do is limply fill the tax code in a number of
massive tax increase. romney cannot defend this plan on its merits, so he simply says i'll negotiate this with congress. it doesn't matter what he negotiates, there's not enough money there. it's a simple matter of arithmetic. but he's being a smooth liar about this. >> is the mathematics policy? can you offset $5 trillion with big deductions by getting rid of them when he said tonight to accomplicer, i'm going to leave the mortgage preference, the charitable preference, what is left?...
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he says he's going to lower tax rates but eliminate corporate tax loopholes and personal tax loopholes. i think he has a secret plan to eliminate that tax critical to the middle class. >> do you think that's what viewers walked away thinking? >> i think they walked away thinking mitt romney would be a great used car salesman, but the policies he's articulating will get us right back into the mess that president obama has been working so hard to dig us out of. >> i suspect many walked away last night feeling a bit confused, maybe a bit bored by the technical language and lack of passion. and they are possibly asking the question around the world that many are, which is why can't these guys get together to hammer out a fiscal solution? because actually they were talking about the details, they didn't seem to be so incredibly so far apart on many of the issues. >> were they? >> i was just thinking just now it is too bad steve israel couldn't go out with an obama mask and substitute for the president. there are a lot of points you are making last night that the president missed. >> what wa
he says he's going to lower tax rates but eliminate corporate tax loopholes and personal tax loopholes. i think he has a secret plan to eliminate that tax critical to the middle class. >> do you think that's what viewers walked away thinking? >> i think they walked away thinking mitt romney would be a great used car salesman, but the policies he's articulating will get us right back into the mess that president obama has been working so hard to dig us out of. >> i suspect many...
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level with us about his tax plan which gives the wealthy huge new tax breaks? if we can't trust him here, how could we ever trust him here? >> the romney campaign has taken issue of course with what the obama campaign uses which is a tax policy center analysis. in that ad that draws on the -- to argue that mitt romney's tax plan depends on a $5 trillion tax cut that's not paid for. the conclusion they drew is the only way you offset those tax cuts over ten years, after handcuffing yourself on the pledges that romney has made to reduce tax rates across the board by 20% eliminating the alternative minimum tax and erasing the federal estate tax is to eliminate deductions that will inevitably touch the middle class. the romney folks say the obama campaign and tax policy center created a strawman. the problem is the romney campaign hasn't created their own and responded with any detail on how they would do it. it becomes impossible at least politically once you account for the pledge handcuffs that romney has made. while the president didn't fully acknowledge he cam
level with us about his tax plan which gives the wealthy huge new tax breaks? if we can't trust him here, how could we ever trust him here? >> the romney campaign has taken issue of course with what the obama campaign uses which is a tax policy center analysis. in that ad that draws on the -- to argue that mitt romney's tax plan depends on a $5 trillion tax cut that's not paid for. the conclusion they drew is the only way you offset those tax cuts over ten years, after handcuffing...
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everybody would like a tax cut. who wouldn't want a tax cut, especially 20% across the board? if you're making 35%, the top rate, you go to 28%. all chris wallace was trying to get from ryan on sunday was just tell me what big deductions you're going to get rid of so we can finance that. it's the question. of course everybody wants a tax cut, but if it's not going to cause bigger deficits, tell us how you're going to do it, and they won't do it. they won't say we're going to get rid of charitable deductions, won't get rid of homeowner, state and local. that's where all the money is. it's not little doodads here. joan, you take this one. he won't tell us. same question comes up wednesday night, can romney dodgeball it? can he say i'm not telling you how i'm going to do the major thing i promised to do, get the economy going through a tax cut, but i'm not going to tell you how i'm going to do it. can he get away with it with even the -- >> i hope not. i think this is a moment for jim lehrer to be very tough, respectful tough, and for president obama to come back at him and to sa
everybody would like a tax cut. who wouldn't want a tax cut, especially 20% across the board? if you're making 35%, the top rate, you go to 28%. all chris wallace was trying to get from ryan on sunday was just tell me what big deductions you're going to get rid of so we can finance that. it's the question. of course everybody wants a tax cut, but if it's not going to cause bigger deficits, tell us how you're going to do it, and they won't do it. they won't say we're going to get rid of...
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federal income tax, federal payroll tax, state income tax, state sales tax, state property tax, gasoline tax -- it added up to well over 50% of what they earned. and your plan is to take the tax rate on successful small businesses from 35% to 40%. the national federation of independent businesses has said that will cost 700,000 jobs. i don't want to cost jobs. my priority is jobs. and so what i do is i bring down the tax rates, lower deductions and exemptions, the same idea behind bowles simpson, by the way. get the rates down, lower deductions and exemptions, to create more jobs, because there's nothing better for getting us to a balanced budget than having more people working, earning more money, paying more taxes. that's by far the most effective and efficient way to get this budget balanced. >> jim, you may want to move on to another topic, but i would just say this to the american people. if you believe that we can cut taxes by $5 trillion and add $2 trillion in additional spending that the military is not asking for, $7 trillion, just to give you a sense, over ten years, that's mor
federal income tax, federal payroll tax, state income tax, state sales tax, state property tax, gasoline tax -- it added up to well over 50% of what they earned. and your plan is to take the tax rate on successful small businesses from 35% to 40%. the national federation of independent businesses has said that will cost 700,000 jobs. i don't want to cost jobs. my priority is jobs. and so what i do is i bring down the tax rates, lower deductions and exemptions, the same idea behind bowles...
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a candidate says i'm going to lower the tax rates but i'm going to broaden the tax base. what you get is lower rates, you get a lot of the former, you get very little of the latter. because like bob says, once you start going into how you're going to broaden the base, then it's don't look at me, look at the other guy. so the danger of this tax reform trap that governor romney is trying to sell right now is that you're going to end up with massively lower tax rates and you're not going to broaden the base much at all such that you'll have an explosive budget deficit, it's very much what we saw in the bush supply side trickle down years. >> bob, debatess left. the vice presidential debate, the town hall presidential debate and then the debate on foreign policy. >> i think we throw out the myth that somehow or other only the first debates matter. i think the other debates will have big audiences. i'm through with the expectations game. i think vice president biden will do very well next week. i think the president will bring his best game to these next two debates. this guy
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minimum tax. when you do that over ten years you put $5 trillion hole in your revenue. so that's where obama gets $5 trillion tax cut. but governor romney says he will make up that money through eliminating loopholes, tax deductions that sort of thing but he hasn't specifically said which one his would target. but that's how he can say, i don't have a $5 trillion tax cut. obama can come back and say you haven't given specifics how can we believe it really adds up. in fact every study nonpartisan that has looked at this has said that you know, unless you really tweaked the numbers, there's not justify money out there to fill that $5 trillion hole. >> so, glenn, the president said she's the guy plan to cut $4 trillion in the deficit. here's how he describes that plan. >> the way we do it is $2.50 for every cut, we ask for a dollar of additional revenue. governor romney earlier mentioned the bowles-simpson commission. well that's how the commission bipartisan commission, that talked about how we shou
minimum tax. when you do that over ten years you put $5 trillion hole in your revenue. so that's where obama gets $5 trillion tax cut. but governor romney says he will make up that money through eliminating loopholes, tax deductions that sort of thing but he hasn't specifically said which one his would target. but that's how he can say, i don't have a $5 trillion tax cut. obama can come back and say you haven't given specifics how can we believe it really adds up. in fact every study...
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he wants to cut personal income taxes by 20%, corporate taxes from 35% to 25%, extend the bush tax cuts and the alternative minimum tax. that's $5 trillion, whether he likes it or not, or whether he wants to admit it or not. and he says he's going to do that all without adding to the deficits. how? he didn't say last night. and that's why most analysts have said he's either going to explode the deficits or stick it to the middle class. on medicare, he said we're not going to hurt one senior on medicare by repealing obamacare. he's going to raise -- he's going to cut benefits for seniors across america. he wasn't honest about that. you guys have the tape of him saying we don't need anymore teachers. last night he couldn't say enough about teachers. i don't want to cut teachers. i want more teachers. that's not what he said. so, i mean, again and again and again, he told a story to the american people that is completely in contrast with what he said before and unfounded in fact. and that's going to catch up with him. i think that i give him credit for a strong performance. i give him an "
he wants to cut personal income taxes by 20%, corporate taxes from 35% to 25%, extend the bush tax cuts and the alternative minimum tax. that's $5 trillion, whether he likes it or not, or whether he wants to admit it or not. and he says he's going to do that all without adding to the deficits. how? he didn't say last night. and that's why most analysts have said he's either going to explode the deficits or stick it to the middle class. on medicare, he said we're not going to hurt one senior on...
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i'm not in favor of a $5 trillion tax cut. >> analysis from the nonpartisan tax policy center found romney's plan would cost the country $5 trillion over the the next ten years. romney's friends at fox news say romney doesn't have to explain his fuzzy math. here's chris wallace defending romney's flip-flop to governor martin o'malley. >> the president keeps saying that mitt romney is proposing a $5 trillion tax cut. that's not true. >> chris, wait a minute here. former governor is proposing a cut to income taxes including for the wealthiest of americans and i believe a 30% cut to corporate income taxes. >> any economist may debate whether that adds up to $4.9 trillion or $5 trillion. >> you're mischaracterizing the romney plan. you're saying, you're right, $5 trillion by lowering the tax rates, but he also talks about cutting loopholes. that's part of the plan. >> he won't say which loopholes and which deduction. >> joining me is e.j. dionne, author of the new book "our divided political heart." i've got so much heart. you know the details, the devil in the details, however, you want to say
i'm not in favor of a $5 trillion tax cut. >> analysis from the nonpartisan tax policy center found romney's plan would cost the country $5 trillion over the the next ten years. romney's friends at fox news say romney doesn't have to explain his fuzzy math. here's chris wallace defending romney's flip-flop to governor martin o'malley. >> the president keeps saying that mitt romney is proposing a $5 trillion tax cut. that's not true. >> chris, wait a minute here. former...
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that's not a tax raise. that's called fairness where i come from. >> and last night on "politics nation," jared bernstein explained to al sharpton that the math in mitt romney's tax plan doesn't add up. >> if you're going to cut taxes 20% across the board, which is mitt romney's plan, you're going to blow a $5 trillion hole over ten years in the government's revenue. now, what governor romney says is i can make that up by closing tax expenditures and loopholes, but there's two problems with that. one, the arithmetic. if you look at people over 200,000, just look at the wealthiest couple of percent, the revenue cuts about $250 billion, and the deductions, the broadening of the base, gets you back about 160. so you're short about $90 billion. >> and don't miss reverend al sharpton and "politics nation" weekdays at 6:00 eastern here on msnbc, the place for politics. >>> so how will today's monthly jobs report impact the candidates? economists are predicting the unemployment rate could tick up from 8.1 to 8.2%,
that's not a tax raise. that's called fairness where i come from. >> and last night on "politics nation," jared bernstein explained to al sharpton that the math in mitt romney's tax plan doesn't add up. >> if you're going to cut taxes 20% across the board, which is mitt romney's plan, you're going to blow a $5 trillion hole over ten years in the government's revenue. now, what governor romney says is i can make that up by closing tax expenditures and loopholes, but there's...
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that's not a tax raise. that's called fairness where i come from. >> vice president biden, congressman paul ryan are prepping if for their own debate next thursday at center college in danville, kentucky. >>> the united nations security council is condemning the shelling by syrian forces in a turkey down that killed women and children. turkey's military responded with artillery fire, raising the prospect of a wider conflict between the two nations. syria remains locked in a brutal civil war that's killed an estimated 30,000 people since march of last year. for more on this potentially explosive situation along the border, we turn to nbc's amon. he's live on the phone from turkey. reset this story for us, if you would, this morning. what happened initially, and where are we now? >> reporter: well, it began on wednesday afternoon when the syrian military essentially fired on this town that was on the syrian side of the border, but according to some, they overshot. one of the mortars landed in the turkish town
that's not a tax raise. that's called fairness where i come from. >> vice president biden, congressman paul ryan are prepping if for their own debate next thursday at center college in danville, kentucky. >>> the united nations security council is condemning the shelling by syrian forces in a turkey down that killed women and children. turkey's military responded with artillery fire, raising the prospect of a wider conflict between the two nations. syria remains locked in a...
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in the last debate, no, he does not plan a tax cut but he says he plans a tax cut -- a 20% tax cut across the board. there are a number of ways -- i've witnessed once when mitt romney once said he was pro gay adoption. and the very next day he said he was staunchly against it. so, to call someone out on their mistruthings and lies, that's not poor sportsmanship. that's like saying someone who entered a race who was doping and you call them on doping, you know, is guilty of poor sportsmanship. the person who is guilty is the person who is cheating. >> yes, indeed. ken, mr. romney tells wolf blitzer that will be a preference, in his words, for home mortgage deduction and charitable contribution, so to make up for the tax cuts, what ducks will go away? have you found them? >> this has been a great challenge of covering the campaign where there isn't -- >> this is a bigger mystery than the loch ness monster, no one can find them. >> that's one thing democrats will press him on. they've tried with a high degree -- to point out that is not -- the math is not working here, that's one of the thin
in the last debate, no, he does not plan a tax cut but he says he plans a tax cut -- a 20% tax cut across the board. there are a number of ways -- i've witnessed once when mitt romney once said he was pro gay adoption. and the very next day he said he was staunchly against it. so, to call someone out on their mistruthings and lies, that's not poor sportsmanship. that's like saying someone who entered a race who was doping and you call them on doping, you know, is guilty of poor sportsmanship....
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>> if you extend the bush tax cuts you don't cut taxes you keep taxes where they are. if you don't extend the bush tax cuts you raise taxes. if you don't extend the bush tax cuts in total you raise taxes. >> they're set to expire. it was your party that set them to expire. i would add. i wasn't -- sitting here at the desk i didn't do that the republican party was the one that decided to do that so you guys had to deal with the sunset provision. >> it's not an accounting measure. they're going to -- of course it's an accounting measure. >> i pay a certain level of tax this career. next year if the bush tax cuts expire i get a big tax increase but if the bush tax cuts don't expire i pay the same tax next year the same as i do this year. >> because you make a lot of money. mr. giuliani, you have a very large tax cut because you are, to your great credit, a high-earning individual and you'll see a large bounty from the tax cut. that's the question on the table. >> stop the ad silliness. the reality is it's true for everyone. let me finish my answer, rather than yelling and
>> if you extend the bush tax cuts you don't cut taxes you keep taxes where they are. if you don't extend the bush tax cuts you raise taxes. if you don't extend the bush tax cuts in total you raise taxes. >> they're set to expire. it was your party that set them to expire. i would add. i wasn't -- sitting here at the desk i didn't do that the republican party was the one that decided to do that so you guys had to deal with the sunset provision. >> it's not an accounting...
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what about this tax plan. is president obama obligated to supporters to point out to them that this is flawed? what do you think? >> i think the moderators are going e to ask governor romney about a lot of the things that you just talked about. i hope the moderator gives governor romney a chance to do what paul ryan said he didn't have time to do and that is explain how they pay for a $5 trillion tax cut. as you pointed out, ed, it is a time problem that is vexing in this budget. it's a math problem. they can't pay for it. if they can't pay for it, then they are going to raise taxes on the middle class. that's what the economic studies have shown. and look, i don't know anybody who thinks we're another tax cut for a millionaire away from a stronger middle class. that's just not how we have built our economy before and it's not how we're going to continue to make our country strong now. >> will president obama confront romney on these issues or rely on the debate moderator to do it? how aggressive will the pres
what about this tax plan. is president obama obligated to supporters to point out to them that this is flawed? what do you think? >> i think the moderators are going e to ask governor romney about a lot of the things that you just talked about. i hope the moderator gives governor romney a chance to do what paul ryan said he didn't have time to do and that is explain how they pay for a $5 trillion tax cut. as you pointed out, ed, it is a time problem that is vexing in this budget. it's a...
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to do to the tax code. he has a tax cut that would cost $5 trillion. that part is true. the president is right about that. romney said from the very beginning, he's consistent so nothing he said last night was new. it's important to put that clearly. he's always said he will pay for that tax cut. that tax cut will not be passed the way it is currently in. he will work with congress to find offsets. romney has not named any offsets or shown how to pay for it, and it's not clear that he can, given the size of it and given his promise of not letting it become a tax cut for the rich. that's what romney did last night. every time obama said you have a $5 trillion tax cut, he said no i don't. the truth is we don't know what it is. as he's running for president, i think it's information that we're frankly entitled to. >> let me play another clip. the president criticized romney for a lack of specifics in the tax plan and wall street reform and health care. that's how that went down. >> my experience as a governor
to do to the tax code. he has a tax cut that would cost $5 trillion. that part is true. the president is right about that. romney said from the very beginning, he's consistent so nothing he said last night was new. it's important to put that clearly. he's always said he will pay for that tax cut. that tax cut will not be passed the way it is currently in. he will work with congress to find offsets. romney has not named any offsets or shown how to pay for it, and it's not clear that he can,...
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there aren't enough tax loopholes or tax deductions to pay for romney's tax cut unless you cut into home interest mortgage deductions, unless you get rid of state and local taxes. that will hit the middle class hard. you have to be honest about this. the debate hurt obama and helped romney, and romney's gotten a bump in the polls, although it seems to be flattening out. you look at the new poll in ohio, the president is at 51%, ronl is at 47%. i think the president, the fundamental structure of the race hasn't been changed, but if he doesn't go on the attack, if biden doesn't do a good job against ryan, and if the president doesn't show up and isn't strong in the second debate, then you're going to have a tossup race. >> well, i would disagree with your approach, first of all. i don't approach that way. that's going back and relate gating all the old arguments. in spirit what i would do unlike shrumy, i would take the big issue that is separate the candidates, don't get into the little trench warfare about what's your tax plan and where were you on medicare two weeks ago. i would say whe
there aren't enough tax loopholes or tax deductions to pay for romney's tax cut unless you cut into home interest mortgage deductions, unless you get rid of state and local taxes. that will hit the middle class hard. you have to be honest about this. the debate hurt obama and helped romney, and romney's gotten a bump in the polls, although it seems to be flattening out. you look at the new poll in ohio, the president is at 51%, ronl is at 47%. i think the president, the fundamental structure of...
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first is the tax reform. fundamental tax reform across the board which is going to help americans put more money in their pockets for those middle class americans that do a lot of the spending in this country and i think they need it the most. >> will governor romney explain? >> on issues like health care, those are also issues that the governor will address comprehensively and talk about the specifics of how it would help households keep more money and going to help grow the entire economy. >> kevin, excuse me, sorry, didn't mean to interrupt you. >> no worries, sorry. >> will governor romney tomorrow night in denver explain exactly which deductions he would get rid of to make up for the tax cuts that he's offered? >> well, i think it's very hard in a debate to go through a negotiation, particularly when you look at broadening the tax base you're going to have to do it with congress. it's hard to get into those details. he will talk about the fundamental principles that he has with regards to tax form, helpi
first is the tax reform. fundamental tax reform across the board which is going to help americans put more money in their pockets for those middle class americans that do a lot of the spending in this country and i think they need it the most. >> will governor romney explain? >> on issues like health care, those are also issues that the governor will address comprehensively and talk about the specifics of how it would help households keep more money and going to help grow the entire...
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president, you are right with regards to 97% of the businesses are not taxed at 35% tax rate, it's a lower rate. those businesses, the last 3% happen to employ half, half of all the people who work in small business. >> okay. please respond to that. there is so much nonsense in that little bit of sound. >> first of all, the statistic that it employs half is ridiculous. let's look at it carefully. under that definition of small business, i'm a business. why? because i have written a book. i get royalties. that's business income. mitt romney cuts my taxes. now, i'm not going to hire anyone. this idea that cutting the taxes is going to lead to job growth is absurd. in contrast, the president saying i'm for tax cuts but i am if you actually hire someone. >> my brain was soup as i was trying to sort through all these definitions. the sba, small business administration is trying to define it as a business with 500 people or less. it's not the definition being used here. the definition here is a tax status. in this study. >> this is where the fact is wrong. >> yes. thank you. >> all people
president, you are right with regards to 97% of the businesses are not taxed at 35% tax rate, it's a lower rate. those businesses, the last 3% happen to employ half, half of all the people who work in small business. >> okay. please respond to that. there is so much nonsense in that little bit of sound. >> first of all, the statistic that it employs half is ridiculous. let's look at it carefully. under that definition of small business, i'm a business. why? because i have written a...
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, like your home mortgage tax deduction, in the romney/ryan tax plan. not enough time. they can't even say if you will pay more or less with their tax plan. well, mitt, i'm sure president obama will give you as many of his minutes as you need to explain it all in wednesday night's debate. >> mitt romney needs a great october. >> we know romney needs a great october. >> to change the course of this campaign. >> the final push is on. >> just days away from the first presidential debate. >> both candidates cramming for the first debate. >> everyone trying to lower expectations. >> franticly spinning to lower expectations. >> >> president obama is an experienced debatetor. >> i'm just okay. >> almost everyone seems to be muting enthusiasm in trying to undersell thvernlths is mitt's first time. >> i don't buy that. >> chris christie is taking a different tack. >> we have a candidate who is going to do extraordinary well on wednesday night. come thursday morning when we get to thursday morning, the entire narrative of this race is going to change. >> this is
, like your home mortgage tax deduction, in the romney/ryan tax plan. not enough time. they can't even say if you will pay more or less with their tax plan. well, mitt, i'm sure president obama will give you as many of his minutes as you need to explain it all in wednesday night's debate. >> mitt romney needs a great october. >> we know romney needs a great october. >> to change the course of this campaign. >> the final push is on. >> just days away from the first...
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the number on his tax cut is $5 trillion. because he's talking about a 20% cut in marginal rates, eliminating the alternative minimum tax, estate tax and other deductions, $480 billion a year, $5 trillion over ten years, that's the number. then he says, you know, every day for the last 18 months, i've been talking about repealing every aspect of obama care, but actually i didn't mean it. well it's too late for that. if you repeal obama care across the board, that means that kids can no longer stay on their parents' coverage through age 26, it means that we can go back to a system of denying coverage for preexisting conditions, it means that seniors again are back on to co-pays larger co-pays as it relates to prescription drugs, and on dodd/frank, he's been saying he wants to repeal dodd/frank, andrea, every day for the last 18 months, repeal every aspect of it. dodd/frank of course is the bill that reregulated the financial system after the credit market collapsed, the catastrophic collapse of 2008. so does anybody really wan
the number on his tax cut is $5 trillion. because he's talking about a 20% cut in marginal rates, eliminating the alternative minimum tax, estate tax and other deductions, $480 billion a year, $5 trillion over ten years, that's the number. then he says, you know, every day for the last 18 months, i've been talking about repealing every aspect of obama care, but actually i didn't mean it. well it's too late for that. if you repeal obama care across the board, that means that kids can no longer...
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tax cuts. a guy who says we shouldn't be having mission creep in libya but wants mission creep in syria. he's been on all sides of the issues. >> that's just in the last week. >> the president needs to just say these things, it's not obvious to people watching on tv. when you're in a debate it's helpful to talk about it at that time rather than in the rallies afterwards. the jobs question is very interesting. he's trying to convince people in ohio where the unemployment rate is lower than the national average, which already is coming down -- >> in a place where the president's plan to save the auto industry actually protected many jobs. >> so in the face of all the evidence around them, and you can argue about economic statistics as much as you like, but people know their own economy and their own lives. he's trying to put against that by saying there are joshs in the ground we will dig up presumagely by pulling away from environmental regulations. he's talking really about fracking. that's his
tax cuts. a guy who says we shouldn't be having mission creep in libya but wants mission creep in syria. he's been on all sides of the issues. >> that's just in the last week. >> the president needs to just say these things, it's not obvious to people watching on tv. when you're in a debate it's helpful to talk about it at that time rather than in the rallies afterwards. the jobs question is very interesting. he's trying to convince people in ohio where the unemployment rate is...
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i don't have a tax cut that's $4.8 trillion. i'm not going to cut taxes on the rich. i don't have a medicare voucher plan. i love teachers. and i think we need more of them. look, don't believe me. speaker gingrich was pretty eloquent running during the primaries and saying, mitt romney will say absolutely anything to get elected. and if somebody says absolutely anything to get elected you have to wonder what they'll say when they are president of the united states. >> so, speaker, you did say he was fundamentally dishonest after debating him in the primaries. this is not a new attack against romney policy. >> no. and i think that the challenge for the obama people is pretty simple. the president of the united states had 90 minutes. now, if he had done his homework and actually prepared, if he had actually studied romney, why didn't he say it? why didn't he take romney head on? first of all, the charges on the tax cuts are plain wrong, and i think virtually every analyst has said and even your deputy campaign manager said the charges made are wrong. but forgetting tha
i don't have a tax cut that's $4.8 trillion. i'm not going to cut taxes on the rich. i don't have a medicare voucher plan. i love teachers. and i think we need more of them. look, don't believe me. speaker gingrich was pretty eloquent running during the primaries and saying, mitt romney will say absolutely anything to get elected. and if somebody says absolutely anything to get elected you have to wonder what they'll say when they are president of the united states. >> so, speaker, you...
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for every american that pays taxes, if the bush tax cuts expire, their taxes go up. president obama wants to vary that for people at $250,000, that's just the reality of it. >> this is a very important point about the distributional impacts of our tax policy. my understanding is that there had been a difference between mitt romney and the president. that mitt romney wants to make sure he preserves the tax cuts for those at the high end and the president doesn't want to. i want to establish for people watching that is still the case. >> of course it is. mitt romney wants to extend the bush tax cuts -- >> for high income earners. >> for everyone. if you leave those alone, there's no tax increase. if you get rid of the tax cuts for anybody, there will be an increase. the government is wasting enough money already. i believe in the ronald reagan approach -- if i can finish my answer, you should not feed the beast. let's put the beast on a diet and spend a little less money. >> did the department of homeland security, does that count as feeding the beast or not? >> i have
for every american that pays taxes, if the bush tax cuts expire, their taxes go up. president obama wants to vary that for people at $250,000, that's just the reality of it. >> this is a very important point about the distributional impacts of our tax policy. my understanding is that there had been a difference between mitt romney and the president. that mitt romney wants to make sure he preserves the tax cuts for those at the high end and the president doesn't want to. i want to...
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he has a tax cut. if you implemented it, what he says though, and has said from the beginning is that he will pay for that tax cut. when you include that sentence, he then says fairly scored, i have promised as a later date to pay for it. the question has been how are you going to pay for it? why should we believe you when no republican in 20 or 30 years has paid for a tax cut. i'm not sure it is wrong for romney to say that he is going to do a $5 trillion tax cut. the problem is he hasn't told us a word about how he is going to pay for it. the three things he wants to do, have the 20% across the board rate cut and have it paid for while protecting a bunch of tax cuts, they can't be done at once. something has to give and we don't know what it will be. >> he is wrong. because, if we give them the allowance that you are willing to give him, that will be the first time in the history of the discussion of tax policy in our government that anyone has been able to say i don't have a $5 trillion tax cut beca
he has a tax cut. if you implemented it, what he says though, and has said from the beginning is that he will pay for that tax cut. when you include that sentence, he then says fairly scored, i have promised as a later date to pay for it. the question has been how are you going to pay for it? why should we believe you when no republican in 20 or 30 years has paid for a tax cut. i'm not sure it is wrong for romney to say that he is going to do a $5 trillion tax cut. the problem is he hasn't told...
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they were called somebody else's tax cuts probably less likely to be raised. >> some other body's tax cuts. we'll examine how romney may have found his inner "w" ahead on now. [ male announcer ] when these come together, and these come together, one thing you can depend on is that these will come together. delicious and wholesome. some combinations were just meant to be. tomato soup from campbell's. it's amazing what soup can do. [ male announcer ] you start your day... love you, too. ...thinking about what's important to you -- your family... ...the mortgage... the kids' college tuition. [ cellphone ringing ] but life insurance? [ horn honking ] life is unpredictable. that's why at fidelity life we want you to think about term life insurance -- taking care of your family's future expenses if something happens to you. it's easy. we get to know you and your needs, then give you our best quote and our competitors'. you choose and save up to 70%. that could mean $250,000 of coverage for just $15 a month. we offer plans with no medical exam, and we've been in business for over 100 years.
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this is a tax in and of itself. call it the economy tax. it's been crushing. at the same time, gasoline prices doubled. electric rates are up, food prices are up. health care costs have gone up by $2500 a family. middle income families are being crushed. the question is how to get them going again. >> governor romney defended his tax plan repeatedly. the romney proposal would give breaks to the wealthy while putting a burden on the middle class. >> i know you and your running mate keep saying that. it's popular, but it's not the case. i have five boys. i'm used to people saying something that's not always true but keep on repeating it hoping i'll believe it. that is not the case. i will not reduce the taxes paid by high income americans. number three, i will not, under any circumstances raise taxes on middle income families. >> for 18 months, he's been running on this tax plan. now, five weeks before the election, he's saying his idea is never mind. the fact is that if you are lowering the rates the way you describe, governor, then it is not possible to come u
this is a tax in and of itself. call it the economy tax. it's been crushing. at the same time, gasoline prices doubled. electric rates are up, food prices are up. health care costs have gone up by $2500 a family. middle income families are being crushed. the question is how to get them going again. >> governor romney defended his tax plan repeatedly. the romney proposal would give breaks to the wealthy while putting a burden on the middle class. >> i know you and your running mate...
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federal income, state sales tax, property tax cab gas tax, over 50% of what they earned. and your plan is to take the tax rate on successful small businesses from 35% to 40%. the national federation of independent businesses has said that will cost 700,000 jobs. >> what is main street's reaction? we have two of our most outspeaken regulars here to discuss. app entrepreneur and best-selling author, find him at rural 1 investing upon the com. carol roth, can you find her at carolroth.com. good to you you guy he. >> you too, j. >> i think it is clear that romney ran all over obama. from a small business owner's perspective he addressed the issues we have not seen addressed offer the laugh four years. most notably, how are we going to get this economy growing again because from a small business owner's perspective, that is what is going to get them hiring and make them more successful. if the economy grows, more people are buying from them. there's more confidence, and it is just a self fulfilling prophecy. >> what we are dealing with here, four years -- apart from what presi
federal income, state sales tax, property tax cab gas tax, over 50% of what they earned. and your plan is to take the tax rate on successful small businesses from 35% to 40%. the national federation of independent businesses has said that will cost 700,000 jobs. >> what is main street's reaction? we have two of our most outspeaken regulars here to discuss. app entrepreneur and best-selling author, find him at rural 1 investing upon the com. carol roth, can you find her at carolroth.com....
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we just have to wean them off because they don't want to pay income tax. now, a guy with a tax account in the cayman islands is attacking other people? when you really bust someone for what you did, it really takes a lot of gal, you know. >> now, that's former president clinton. will the president go after mitt romney tonight? do you think? >> well, it's hard to imagine that somebody, either jim lehrer or the president himself, won't bring up the 47% video because it has been devastating to romney. obama has used it in ads and it plays into the perception of romney as a very rich guy who is completely out of touch with ordinary voters. however, i can't imagine that romney hasn't are practiced responses to that. he's already had an ad where he sits down, faces the camera, he tries to assure voters that he wants to help 100% of americans, everybody. but the danger for romney is seeming fake or false when he tries to connect. he has, no doubt, practiced a lot, rehearsed a lot. he has a lot of answers already planned but can he seem genuine when he's given tha
we just have to wean them off because they don't want to pay income tax. now, a guy with a tax account in the cayman islands is attacking other people? when you really bust someone for what you did, it really takes a lot of gal, you know. >> now, that's former president clinton. will the president go after mitt romney tonight? do you think? >> well, it's hard to imagine that somebody, either jim lehrer or the president himself, won't bring up the 47% video because it has been...
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be a 20% tax cut? >> i'm going to lower rates across the board for all americans by 20%. i want a 20% across the board reduction in taxes. the individual marginal tax rate 20% across the board. the top rate, for instance, would go from 35 to 28, middle rates would come down by 20% as well, all rates come down. >> president obama was just as surprised. >> well, for 18 months he's been running on this tax plan. and now, five weeks before the election, he's saying that his big, bold idea is never mind. >> but the etch a sketching did not stop there. governor romney who once believed financial regulation was hurting the economy -- >> dodd frank it's called, has not helped enterprise get going, it's slowed it down. >> now seems to be a supporter of wall street regulation. >> want to repeal dodd/frank? >> and replace it. we're not going to get rid of regulation. some parts of dodd/frank that make all of the sense in the world. >> and back in june, romney mocked the president's crazy ideas about needing more
be a 20% tax cut? >> i'm going to lower rates across the board for all americans by 20%. i want a 20% across the board reduction in taxes. the individual marginal tax rate 20% across the board. the top rate, for instance, would go from 35 to 28, middle rates would come down by 20% as well, all rates come down. >> president obama was just as surprised. >> well, for 18 months he's been running on this tax plan. and now, five weeks before the election, he's saying that his big,...
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then he can't deliver tax cuts. >> you can come up with a tax reform plan. increased revenue that takes down the rates, makes it fairer everybody. it's difficult, but you can do it. >> you can't take the rates down 20% though on top of the bush tax cuts. >> romney said, i have reform principles. they are going to help grow the economy and create jobs but the idea he can raise taxes is fanciful. he'll never do it. >> if you are going to cut taxes for the wealthy as much as mitt romney wants to there is no way or he would have put forth the pro growth plan. he's ring on magic like harry potter will be his treasury secretary. >> he's not going to be able to cut taxes for rich people. he doesn't want to. the idea of pro growth taxes -- >> didn't he say 20% across the board? >> he did, but he also said if you take up the deductions, rich people won't get a big tax break. that's the truth. if you go through the principles and think about it, how do you design a pro growth tax policy? you have to take down the race and get rid of deductions. the numbers can add up.
then he can't deliver tax cuts. >> you can come up with a tax reform plan. increased revenue that takes down the rates, makes it fairer everybody. it's difficult, but you can do it. >> you can't take the rates down 20% though on top of the bush tax cuts. >> romney said, i have reform principles. they are going to help grow the economy and create jobs but the idea he can raise taxes is fanciful. he'll never do it. >> if you are going to cut taxes for the wealthy as much...
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>> keeping tax rates down. by lowering tax rates, people keep more of the dollar they earn. that matters. that is pro-growth policy. that creates seven million jobs. >> that's more important than? >> than anything. >> tax breaks for millionaires and billionaires are more important than anything else? those are paul ryan's words. for bet about paying for the tax cuts that he's talking about. you know, they are here to stay if romney and ryan get elected. you can count on that. it's no wonder the romney campaign is struggling with this entire message. but when all else fails, what you got to do is blame the media. >> carrying water for barack obama? >> it kind of goes without saying that there's definitely a media bias. >> where have you seen it in this campaign where you feel they are judging you by one standard and obama by another? >> i'm not going into fit for tat. there's a media bias. and anybody with objectivity would believe that. >> blaming the media is the latest talking point for paul ryan. at a fundraiser, ryan told supporters the campaign needs their help to fight
>> keeping tax rates down. by lowering tax rates, people keep more of the dollar they earn. that matters. that is pro-growth policy. that creates seven million jobs. >> that's more important than? >> than anything. >> tax breaks for millionaires and billionaires are more important than anything else? those are paul ryan's words. for bet about paying for the tax cuts that he's talking about. you know, they are here to stay if romney and ryan get elected. you can count on...
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the estate tax. we'll give the top 1/10 of taxpayers an average break of $250,000. >> look, look, andrea, mitt romney pointed out that one of the things that he would do is to put a cap on the deductions. the tax policy center admitted that what they analyzed was assumptions they added to mitt romney's plan that are not deduction. >> which deductions. >> let me finish. i let you finish. now let me fin. >> yes, sir. >> the tax policy center admitted that they made assumptions that were not part of mitt romney's tax plan. there are six or seven follow-up studies that say romney's tax plan can do what the governor has said he would. he's going to eliminate or cap deductions on upper income brackets there is more enough in the basket of choices there to take care of providing the to 20% tax reduction to the middle class. >> no, there are not. >> with all due respect to what obama people are putting out, they're wrong on it. >> i'm not talking about what the obama people are talking. first of all, those a
the estate tax. we'll give the top 1/10 of taxpayers an average break of $250,000. >> look, look, andrea, mitt romney pointed out that one of the things that he would do is to put a cap on the deductions. the tax policy center admitted that what they analyzed was assumptions they added to mitt romney's plan that are not deduction. >> which deductions. >> let me finish. i let you finish. now let me fin. >> yes, sir. >> the tax policy center admitted that they made...
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romney's tax plan. for months he's been telling us that he'll cut everyone's taxes by 20%. so some of the country's brightest economists did the math and found that romney's tax plan promises to cut taxes by $5 trillion without adding to the deficit. but when mitt romney took to the stage last night, he delivered a line that beggared belief. >> no economist can say mitt romney's tax plan adds $5 trillion if i say i will not add to the deficit with my tax plan. >> so black is white, up is down, and everything is the way he says it is in the world of mitt romney. like yago, mitt romney delivered those lines in the presence of a black man, but on this occasion the president would not be deceived. he allowed mr. romney to rehearse the full extent of his lie and then just a few hours ago drew our attention to what really happened last night. >> the real mitt romney has been running around the country for the last year promising $5 trillion in tax cuts in favor of the wealthy. the fellow on stage last night said he didn't know anything about that. >> mr. romney is quite rightly b
romney's tax plan. for months he's been telling us that he'll cut everyone's taxes by 20%. so some of the country's brightest economists did the math and found that romney's tax plan promises to cut taxes by $5 trillion without adding to the deficit. but when mitt romney took to the stage last night, he delivered a line that beggared belief. >> no economist can say mitt romney's tax plan adds $5 trillion if i say i will not add to the deficit with my tax plan. >> so black is white,...
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tax rates. it's revenue neutral. >> it's not unless you take away the deductions. we're going to get to that. the first half. lowering the tax rates. does that cost $5 trillion? >> no. >> the master of the power point was having a hard time making a point. let's break down what paul ryan is actually saying here. romney and ryan will give $5 trillion in tax breaks to the wealthiest americans. subtract an unspecified amount of money of unnamed deductions. somehow you're going to get a revenue neutral tax plan. it's a plan so bogus not even a fox news host can understand it. >> you haven't given me the math. >> i don't have the -- it would take me too long to go through the math. >> paul ryan, paul ryan, if you want to be a heartbeat away from the presidency, we're going to have to explain your plans to the american people. take all the time you want. especially here on "the ed show." you guys have been complaining about media fairness preponderance let's talk it over. today paul ryan told a radio
tax rates. it's revenue neutral. >> it's not unless you take away the deductions. we're going to get to that. the first half. lowering the tax rates. does that cost $5 trillion? >> no. >> the master of the power point was having a hard time making a point. let's break down what paul ryan is actually saying here. romney and ryan will give $5 trillion in tax breaks to the wealthiest americans. subtract an unspecified amount of money of unnamed deductions. somehow you're going to...
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what $5 trillion tax cut? i don't know anything about a $5 trillion tax cut. pay no attention to that tax cut under the carpet. >> romney's campaign continuing a blitz of ohio today denying that he's a new moderate but here is what he told the des moines register yesterday. when asked about his agenda on abortion. >> there's no legislation regarding -- with regards to abortion i'm familiar with that would become part of my agenda. >> joining me now, "usa today's" washington bureau chief susan page and "time" assistant managing editor. good morning, both of. >> did you good morning. >> susan, romney's statement appeared to be away from the democrats tried use against them and campaign quickly issued a statement saying mitt romney is pro-life. what is going on with the romney message? >> well, i think romney is -- governor romney is definitely trying to pivot to the middle. we were waiting to do this last spring and early summer when he clinched the republican nomination. he's doing it now kind of on the late side. it is the same sort of more centrist message th
what $5 trillion tax cut? i don't know anything about a $5 trillion tax cut. pay no attention to that tax cut under the carpet. >> romney's campaign continuing a blitz of ohio today denying that he's a new moderate but here is what he told the des moines register yesterday. when asked about his agenda on abortion. >> there's no legislation regarding -- with regards to abortion i'm familiar with that would become part of my agenda. >> joining me now, "usa today's"...
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overall taxes that they pay and the overall tax plan would be tax neutral. i mean, it would be revenue neutral. the other piece is you mentioned this other story -- >> the story is specifics, hasn't it? >> i'll keep going back to this to seep the record straight. you all talking about this story that mitt romney had been saying and reported in other places that this is a new softer side of mitt romney. he's been telling that story for months. and so, i mean, this is all just sort of a generated media narrative that he is coming up with all sorts of new policies and new touching stories. this is, you know, what's great about last week is it's our opportunity to present an unfiltered mitt romney versus an unfiltered barack obama and the choice was houistorically. >> let's ask you then about specifically what the panelist talked about, the thing that a lot of analysts are watching is are the polls going to move in the swing states? it is early to tell. the jobs numbers may factor in to this. can mitt romney move the polls in a place like ohio? where before the
overall taxes that they pay and the overall tax plan would be tax neutral. i mean, it would be revenue neutral. the other piece is you mentioned this other story -- >> the story is specifics, hasn't it? >> i'll keep going back to this to seep the record straight. you all talking about this story that mitt romney had been saying and reported in other places that this is a new softer side of mitt romney. he's been telling that story for months. and so, i mean, this is all just sort of...
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we'll get to the deductions but the cut in tax rates. >> the cut in tax rates is lower all americans tax rates by 20%. >> how much does that cost? >> it's revenue lowering. you can -- >> i have to -- you haven't given me the math. >> well, i don't have the time -- it would take me too long to go through all of the math. >> yesterday mitt romney finally gave in, sort of. he didn't detail the deductions he intends to eliminate, but at least offered a few suggestions. >> you could say everybody is going to get up to a $17,000 deduction and use your charitable deduction or your home mortgage deduction or others, health care deduction and fill that bucket, the $17,000 bucket that way and higher income people might have a lower number or do it by the same method that bowles-simpson did it, limiting certain deductions, that's the sort of thing you do with congress. >> so there you go. that's the sort of thing he's talking about. romney's campaign emphasized after the interview those ideas are actually not part of his plan writing -- mark halperin, as you know, i'm an easily confused person
we'll get to the deductions but the cut in tax rates. >> the cut in tax rates is lower all americans tax rates by 20%. >> how much does that cost? >> it's revenue lowering. you can -- >> i have to -- you haven't given me the math. >> well, i don't have the time -- it would take me too long to go through all of the math. >> yesterday mitt romney finally gave in, sort of. he didn't detail the deductions he intends to eliminate, but at least offered a few...